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Wednesday, January 09, 2008

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9 comments:

Anonymous said...

tertius asks did the fischer king of chess from the tribe of israel have reason in his damnation of jews causing ww2 after all israel was reborn from the ashes of the holocaust

Anonymous said...

tertius sees in the absolute blackness poem from 1991 an emotional rawness of separation and traditional structure before the ivory tower of auck uni and american deconstruction usurped the eliz chain of being its good to see the old stuff

Anonymous said...

terius recalls the haze around the albion then the shakespeare then the cafes etc of the 1990s the academia of the english dept and its adjutants the characters and the hope and the inspiration. Veux ami pay for that can of beer frank. Poetry readings even in morningside and in panmure,markets in k rd the madness the sound the mob

Anonymous said...

tertius asks again was the chain of order in operation or the dissemblence in deconstruction as the poetic mob shifted around the city and its alcoves. Was the uni an ally or adversary to creativity the poetic mob on the move blitzkrieg different locales never stand still the ivory tower always following the mob in all its guise and dissemblence and rhetoric. Did the urban poetic movement in auck in the 1990s implode due to internal politics or were more sinister external pressures being exerted. Lord Taylor, Tertius finds it difficult to recall the tower ever supporting an expansion in auck urban poetry during the 1990s or is tertius still blinded by linda earls beauty.The movement carries on and thrives in future seeds however your critique from that period would be an insight indeed

Anonymous said...

tertius needs to clarify the request.The institution of the Arts then literature and its various branches in music theatre journalism etc the urban performance poetry seemed marginalised during that period by the tower or is any institution only guilty of hierarchy. Or is perfomance poetry subversive by its very nature by dealing in words and democratic in its regard to poets.

Anonymous said...

The reason behind tertius. During the day was the structure of the tower its regulations and requirements. The demands of academia in compliance and completion. At night in the smoky pubs of the city a slice of the mob performed their poetic voice breathing the individual their voice the word and the audience. Here a composite was born from the two worlds both part of each others realm however different they appeared to be. In this quest of parsival in the world of eliots wasteland and his chessmaster the late fischer king, the word when delivered organised and then performed to others then reposted amongst the group of performers and scheduled for another venue with the adverts for the guest performer and order of performance and promotion and acclaimed supporters this is the natural progression of structural expansion.In this quest here we see in both king and fool ambition.And marriage between tower and mob.Pro n Pimp

Richard Taylor said...

tertius asks did the fischer king of chess from the tribe of israel have reason in his damnation of jews causing ww2 after all israel was reborn from the ashes of the holocaust


The short answer is no -
he was great chess player and paradox like Pound - many similarities between them.

Fisher was Jewish himself many
Jewish people (Sofia Polgar for example - a very strong chess player )even loved him - it is very complex. It is acknowledged by Kasparov (who was also Jewish and was always reviled by Fischer) that Fischer had "sadness" inside him - but he urges people to look at his incredible genius and individuality and innovations - despite the "sadness" in him he had lot of greatness also - his beliefs were based on a book he read which is complete nonsense - like the Protocols Zion - something similar to that - politically he was not very astute (nor was Pound) shall we say -but I liked the way he stood up to the US and his individuality -he was also quite brave and - surprisingly a strong ethical sense -

but in other ways Fischer never grew up. He is another of the eccentric - there are so many of them! geniuses in art, literature, chess music etc etc

A tragedy of being, of what we are.
But his contribution to Chess was enormous - many fascinating and beautiful agmes ; works of art and great intellect.

Israel I don't see as some kind of Phoenix - I see Israel as part of the Imperialist power structure. I don't support Zionism - iam not interested in religion per se..but this House began with a reference to some Jewish Rabbis (the start was by chance -but it lead me on a path that showed the holocaust for what it was and so on (and dealt with - to some extent -the problem of power and knowledge etc)...Zukofsky (NY poet author of "A") was Jewish (he remained loyal friend of the anti semitic Pound) and so on ..all very complex...tertius

My 'cyber friend' Alan Sondheim would take issue with me on Zionism!

I appreciate your input - I'll "answer" the other things another time - I am listening to "Sound Lounge" on the Concert Programme some amazing stuff on there...cheers, Richard

Richard Taylor said...

"tertius sees in the absolute blackness poem from 1991 an emotional rawness of separation and traditional structure"

Yes - partly - but it is not "officially" part of EYELIGHT - I kind of just "parked" it on MySpace...originally the structure was even more "traditional" - although strictly no one these day writes in say iambics etc - and it may (almost certainly does somewhat) reflect an "emotional rawness" and "of separation" is apt... - I am not sure but I think it came from a dream.
Then, at that time in 1991, "absolute blackness" was something negative (yet perhaps also it had a positive engergising effect on my writing) - now the "blackness" or silence I find to be rich - even giving me "solace" and indeed it was in 1992 that I got more into shall we say the "Ivory tower" - I was at Auckland University from 1989 until 1994. I studied U.S lit under Horrocks, Leggott, Curnow and
Muray Edmond. I also met Alan Loney that year. We were "introduced" to language poetry (also Stein who is very important to me) and then via that concepts such as deconstrcution and later i did continental philosophy (as it was called) - but philosophy has never been a forte of mine.

Amusing comparison to the "chain of being" ! Of course I also had studied Drama of the age of Shakespeare and the Restoration and so on...



I found it the other day (looking for one other of my old poems)

"before the ivory tower of auck uni and american deconstruction usurped the eliz chain of being"

!!

"its good to see the old stuff"

That's good! Thanks.

On My Space all the things - except for one (the one also on this post) is or are "old stuff"...EYELIGHT recirculates to a large extent with some new improvisations added in.

BTW I am pretty sure (I may be wrong), from what you are saying in these comments, that I know who you are - but I wont say your name for now!

Richard Taylor said...

"tertius asks again was the chain of order in operation or the dissemblence in deconstruction as the poetic mob shifted around the city and its alcoves."

This is well put - but my answer is I don't know! Deconstruction is one of those ideas - words - I have difficulty with...but I acknowledge the contribution of Derrida et al - very valuable.

"Was the uni an ally or adversary to creativity the poetic mob on the move blitzkrieg different locales never stand still the ivory tower always following the mob in all its guise and dissemblence and rhetoric."

University is place that one goes to - one can use it as one likes (for good or not) - for me it was greatly enhancing and exciting to do a BA in English literature...

But I had spent years outside "the ivory tower" - as a father, a worker, a tech, a chess player (amateur) etc

"Did the urban poetic movement in auck in the 1990s implode due to internal politics or were more sinister external pressures being exerted."

I don't know - I just write. Readings continue in a number of places. The scene is good as far as I know.

I stopped public readings for personal reasons - drink (too much!) was problem for me.

"Lord Taylor, Tertius finds it difficult to recall the tower ever supporting an expansion in auck urban poetry during the 1990s or is tertius still blinded by linda earls beauty."

Linda Earle is an interesting person and poet. Sure - some at university are "aloof" but that is life - but people at Universities can in some cases simply be too busy - there is indeed some "ivory towerism" but we cant be too anxious about this...NZ Lit is pretty healthy. Many approaches - many poets and writers of all kinds of styles as it should be. I am just on this jag as this is all I do now... (as such). I have no proclivity toward any particular "way" of writing or creating - there are many many ways of biting the turnip.

"The movement carries on and thrives in future seeds however your critique from that period would be an insight indeed"

It was exciting for me. Universities can - should - enhance. I believe very much in Universities and education - but education is ongoing -not confined to universities.

I am indebted to all the courses I did - and the lecturers - e.g Don Smith, Sebastian Black, Mac Jackson, Albert Wendt, Wright, Brian Boyd, Terry Sturm, Neil, Wystan Curnow, Roger Horrocks, Michelle Leggott, and Murray Edmond. There are also many others and some great tutors I had.